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Grahame Gardner wrote:Tom,
I am sorry, but I strongly disagree with your motives on this one. This is exactly the sort of unfocused, arrogant and scatter-gun approach that gives energy workers a bad name, and in my opinion it is wrong on so many levels.
Firstly, what gives you the right to work on this circle remotely or at all? Just because you have heard that the circle 'lacks energy' does not give you permission to work on it without establishing a clear relationship of your own with and obtaining permission from the site owner (or in this case as it is a public space, the site builder), the Spirit of Place and so on. I certainly don't feel that it is appropriate for you to be doing this work without first establishing a personal relationship by visiting the site in person. The circle is used by and means different things to many people; for example I know that it is used by local pagans for ceremony and various rituals, which will imbue the site with a certain energy; it is also used by the less mystically-inclined as a hangout for consuming cheap alcohol and who knows what other substances, which will imbue it with a different type of energy. Other people use it for picnics, and so on. Who are we to impose our own interpretation of what is right or wrong onto a multi-purpose site like this?
I told you that I had not found much of dowsing interest on my last dowsing visit to it, which was some years ago now when I was photographing it for a Stellarium landscape. The circle is astronomically aligned, and that was the intention behind it. It was not sited on an existing energetic power centre, i.e. over a crossing of energy lines and a rising water dome, and is actually sited partially above an old railway tunnel; nor was it geomantically or ceremonially activated with the intention of creating a sacred site at the time of its construction, to the best of my knowledge.
Now, I don't think I have the right to attempt to permanently alter the energetic signature of a public site like this without a clear idea of why I am doing so, and only if I have very explicit permission to do so as outlined above. I am humble enough to realise that there may be a very good reason why things are the way they are, and in public sites like this, I won't attempt to change things unless I have an extremely good reason to do so. I question whether you have such a reason in this case, as I certainly don't feel (or dowse) that I have permission to work on this one.
Secondly, what gives you the right to ask others to also work on it, especially on a public forum like this? You have no idea who is going to read this and no guarantee that their their motives are congruent with your own. If you want to work with people on a project like this, I would only do so if I either knew and had worked with them personally and felt they were trustworthy to do the work, or was present on the site in some sort of ceremonial context (at minimum, a class of dowsing students) and felt clearly that something had to be done. There is no guarantee that everyone has the same intention when working on something like this - simply asking for 'positive energy' is not good enough.
Thirdly, why do you feel you want to do this before you visit the site? Are you confident that your remote assessment (assuming that you have done one) of the site is accurate? In circumstances like this, I would personally always prefer to dowse on-site to get an accurate picture of what is going on. If, and only if, then I felt that some work was needed, I would establish connection with Spirit of Place and ask permission to work. In this case, I already know the site builder so would also ask them if it was OK.
I could go on, but you get the idea. By all means use the energies in a site to enhance your own spirituality when you are there, and leave a site better than you found it - and this can be as simple as cleaning up any rubbish (and I include previous 'offerings' in this category); but please, let's show some humility here. We don't know enough about what's going on with these energies to be going around blasting them willy-nilly through some misguided attempt to 'do the right thing'.
ledgehammer wrote:I have contacted the site owners > Linda and she asked me to dowse the circle. I also have sent an itinerary with what perhaps we could do, she has confirmed that this is o.k. I also have looked at the site in photos and connected with the site, and I have a sense that it is weak in energy, now this comes to me in a sense that it needs help. I cannot dowse this as for some reason I cannot dowse this remotely, as other things. I feel a connection with the site and i also feel it is asking me for help.
Grahame Gardner wrote:Hi Tom;
My apologies Tom, my remarks were not solely addressed at you, but also towards the casual reader of this forum, as posts such as yours could encourage any old dabblers to get involved in this task, which I think is unethical as I explained. I do have a certain 'duty of care' on here as I don't wish the BSD to be seen to be endorsing unethical behaviour. I have no doubt that your intentions are good, but you cannot speak for anyone else, and that's why I disagree with your general 'call to arms' approach.ledgehammer wrote:I have contacted the site owners > Linda and she asked me to dowse the circle. I also have sent an itinerary with what perhaps we could do, she has confirmed that this is o.k. I also have looked at the site in photos and connected with the site, and I have a sense that it is weak in energy, now this comes to me in a sense that it needs help. I cannot dowse this as for some reason I cannot dowse this remotely, as other things. I feel a connection with the site and i also feel it is asking me for help.
Well now, if you had explained that from the start I wouldn't have come down on you so hard. You have a clear line of permission to work, and as I said to you in email I'd be delighted to join you if I am free (although that is looking less likely at the moment).
mike wrote:Tom three sites close together near the M80 if the Google picture is not outdated offer the Council a site where strong natural forces exist, that would fit any ancient site or place where folk would like to walk and absorb influence of a higher kind.While its open ground the influences there are like Stonehenge or Rollright Stones or Avebury and would offer exciting things, its north/east of Glasgow City Centre, and from what I can see are unmarked and open.The Shepherds Race Maze near Northampton has such influence, and once was a place of magic to folk, now lost but still a bright light in a dark sky for those with eyes to see.I date all three sites to 3300 years old, and I feel they all formed as one on a energy line there,it would lift and change anyone walking there,a place of true magic in this busy world.
Grahame Gardner wrote:Hi Mike,
I think you're going to need to post a map picture if you can - or maybe provide OS coordinates? I have an idea of where you are talking about, but I suspect the terrain would not be suitable for the stone circle, which requires an elevated position with good sightlines.
mike wrote:Been full of cold and flu,but I will post a map asap friends, keep the faith,might even try the Scottish fire water to clear the body and mind, well perhaps not, you would have to wait even longer HIC.
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