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Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:42 pm

from Wales Online...

Police operation launched after priceless Welsh relic, thought to be the 'Holy Grail' is stolen

A major police hunt is underway after burglars raided a home and stole a priceless Welsh relic - said to be the mythical 'Holy Grail'.


CLICK HERE to read the article.

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Lyndon Ronstadt » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:29 pm

Quick, call in the dowsers. I dowse it's currently in the Aberystwyth area and that it was stolen to order.
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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:41 am

from Mysterious Universe...

Researchers in England analyzed it and determined that it’s a mazer bowl, a medieval container made from Wych Elm in the 14th century. It doesn’t appear to have any healing powers, which was probably apparent to believers who chewed it down from its original 12cm by 12cm to 10cm by 8.5cm. Despite being an impostor, it’s still a famous artifact and the local police are continuing their search for it.


Perhaps one might help to clear up the massively factually inaccurate reports now circulating everywhere just a tad...

Antiquarians have always said that the Nanteos Cup is a mediaeval mazer bowl. They've been saying it since the 19th Century.

Mazer bowls are usually made of maple (the word mazer comes from German, speckled, marked) although other woods are sometimes used.

Researchers in England have not analysed it at all - Wales is not in England!

A small contingent of biologists and forestry commission bods (whose names we don't even know) apparently glanced at it towards the end of August in 1977 over two days and apparently said it was made of wych-elm. They did not attempt to date the wood scientifically. All this is documented in an incredibly slim report which took nearly 8 years to produce. I have read it - it is not a scientific report by any means. It was written by a retired civil servant (now deceased) who formerly worked at the Royal Commission for Ancient Monuments based in Aberystwyth, by the name of Douglas Bland Hague.

You won't find a single line about the "scientific dating" of the Nanteos Cup in any science journal.

There are certainly testimonies to the curative powers of the cup, many of these are kept with the Cup - or were, before it was half inched. These go back to at least the 19th Century.

I will be giving a talk to the West Wales Dowsers on the 27th, which will include a good bit about the Nanteos Cup.

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:57 am

I decided to link the Daily Mail version of the story, as it is slightly more accurate than the rest and doesn't ignore the human aspect of the story, which is far more important IMHO.

Burglars stole priceless medieval chalice thought to be the Holy Grail after the elderly lady who protected it for 25 years left the house overnight for the first time

  • Artefact was stolen from Weston-under-Penyard in Herefordshire
  • Fiona Mirylees, 69, given chalice and had been in the family for generations
  • She left home overnight for the first time in 25 years to go to hospital
  • One neighbour said she is ‘reclusive’ and spent ‘years protecting it’
  • Was previously held at the Nanteos Mansion near Aberystwyth in Wales
  • Water drunk from the wooden chalice is said to have healing powers


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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:04 am

The Daily Mail wrote:The cup was featured on Channel 5 documentary The Search for the Holy Grail: The True Story, in which it was examined by the Commissioner for Monuments in Wales.

He concluded it was made from Wych Elm wood, typical of a medieval bowl and was actually at least 500-years-old, making it at least 1,400 years after the crucifixion.


Rubbish - no examination is shown in the documentary. There is/was no such person as "The Commissioner for Monuments in Wales".

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:29 pm



The term refers to the members of the board, not any special individual, and in any case Douglas Hague's job title until the day he retired was "Investigator". I went down to the
RCAHMW and asked - I was told that he was never on the board.

There are four obits online for Douglas Hague which you will find HERE.

If you want to read what he put in his report CLICK HERE.

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:08 am

"Holy Grail" mentioned on Crimewatch !

BBC iPlayer link (so not visible in some places and it won't stay up for long...)

It's at 20:56

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... h-22072014

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:39 pm

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:59 am

found a YouTube link for the Crimewatch item on the Nanteos Cup ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwVadE4 ... e&t=20m56s

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:03 pm

Some excellent close-up shots of the Nanteos Cup on this YouTube video
(apologies for double posting, but it makes sense)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIwElS1 ... be&t=35m6s

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:38 am

from Malvern Gazette...

The Nanteos cup deteriorated greatly over the years and is no longer at the mansion, as it went with the last member of the Powell family when they moved out of Nanteos in the 1950s.


More rubbish - the last of the Powells died at Nanteos in 1951.

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:32 pm

from several news reports

blue velvet bag


I have been told on good authority that the velvet bag is in fact GREEN not blue.

So the Crimewatch Appeal page is correct and most of the news reports are wrong!

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:07 pm

Ian Pegler wrote:The term ["Commissioner"] refers to the members of the board, not any special individual, and in any case Douglas Hague's job title until the day he retired was "Investigator". I went down to the
RCAHMW and asked - I was told that he was never on the board.


A list of the RCAHMW Commissioners for the years 1974-80 is given HERE [An Inventory of the Ancient Monuments in Glamorgan ..., Volume 2; Volume 4, page xxiii]

Douglas B Hague is not among them - he is listed on the next page under "Investigators".

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Re: Nanteos Cup STOLEN

Postby Ian Pegler » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:02 am

He concluded it was made from Wych Elm wood, typical of a medieval bowl and was actually at least 500-years-old, making it at least 1,400 years after the crucifixion.


Also rubbish.

There is a statement in Hague's report that it is late mediaeval, but this is nothing more than antiquarian opinion.

It was the biologists (whoever they were) who said it was wych elm, not Hague.

Besides of which, where is the science report? No documentation, no science! I have spent ages looking for it - I can't find anything. The content of Hague's report (NLW ex 720) in no way qualifies.

If you find it, e-mail me immediately please.

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