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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Ian Pegler » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:45 pm

Ian Pegler wrote:P.S. Just noticed that the book has a stamp on the inside. It appear that it came from the Geology library at the Facutly of Sciences at the University of Rennes!


As an aside, when the book arrived the pages had not been cut. In other words the book had been sitting on the shelves at the University of Rennes for decades with no-one taking an interest. Shame.

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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Ian Pegler » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:37 pm

Ian Pegler wrote:Just discovered that there is a Spanish translation of the Victor Mertens dowsing book. So it was available in at least three different languages.!

http://www.worldcat.org/title/radiestes ... /432634280

The Spanish translation of the Victor Mertens book contains the following text:

"VICTOR MERTENS
INGENIERO

Presidente de la Federación belgo-luxemburguesa de Asociaciones de Radiestesistas. - Caballero de la Orden de la Corona, y de la Orden de Leopoldo II, de Bélgica."

Google translates this as:

"VICTOR MERTENS
ENGINEER

President of the Belgo-Luxembourg Federation of dowsers. - Knight of the Order of the Crown and the Order of Leopold II of Belgium."


According to one source, Herge was also admitted to the Order of the Crown, 20 or so years later:

Tintin: Hergé and His Creation by Harry Thompson wrote:In the early 1970s he had been decorated by the Belgian government, as an Officer of the Order of the Crown.


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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Ian Pegler » Mon May 15, 2017 5:03 pm

The Spanish translator S R Andreu seems to have translated other dowsing books including Pere Bourdoux's Radiesthesie pour Missionaires: Notions pratiques see Christopher Bird's The Divining Hand, p.288-9 for more on Bourdoux.
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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Ian Pegler » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:15 pm

A random peruse in the coffee shop and I came across what appears to be a reference to an energy grid, discovered by a monsieur F. Orcel from his "La Radiesthesie agricole" (1939)

Quote from the Mertens book:

"une série de bandes se dirigeant que la Terre comporte habituellement de l'Est a l'Ouest, ainsi que des faisceaux Nord-Sud, perpendiculaires a ces bandes."


rough translation from Google:

a series of bands pointing that the Earth usually comprises from East to West, as well as North-South beams, perpendicular to these bands.


Pre-dates the Curry and Hartmann grids, I think both were 1950s?

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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Grahame Gardner » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:43 pm

Ian Pegler wrote:Pre-dates the Curry and Hartmann grids, I think both were 1950s?

Wow, good find, Ian!
You are correct on the Hartmann & Curry grids - Curry was actually 'discovered' by Siegfried Wittman in 1950 according to this site, and Hartmann in 1954.
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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Ian Pegler » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:21 am

Grahame Gardner wrote:
Ian Pegler wrote:Pre-dates the Curry and Hartmann grids, I think both were 1950s?

Wow, good find, Ian!
You are correct on the Hartmann & Curry grids - Curry was actually 'discovered' by Siegfried Wittman in 1950 according to this site, and Hartmann in 1954.


Worth further investigation I think!. :P

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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Ian Pegler » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:43 pm

Here is the whole paragraph:

M. ORCEL, Agent consulaire de France en Gambie, a decouvert que la Terre comporte une série de bandes se dirigeant habituellement de l'Est a l'Ouest, ainsi que des faisceaux Nord-Sud, perpendiculaires a ces bandes. Celles-ci proviennent de courants d'eau souterrains profonds dont elles sont les paralleles; elles sont ou negatives ou positives, et alternent; les experiences de M. ORCEL lui font conclure que seules les bandes positives conviennent a une bonne vegetation, et que les bandes negatives sont a rejeter pour toutes plantations. La polarite des bandes peut etre trouvee soit au pendule, soit a la baguettes.


Google translation:

M. ORCEL, Consular Agent of France in The Gambia, discovered that the Earth contains a series of bands usually moving from East to West, as well as North-South beams, perpendicular to these bands. These come from deep underground water currents of which they are parallel; they are either negative or positive, and alternate; Mr. ORCEL's experiments led him to conclude that only positive bands were suitable for good vegetation, and that negative bands should be rejected for all plantations. The polarity of the bands can be found either at the pendulum or at the rods.


Sounds like a grid to me...!

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Re: Dowsing in "Herge's Adventures of Tintin"

Postby Ian Pegler » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:07 am

M. Orcel is Francois Orcel

Worldcat entry for the book by Francois Orcel:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/radiesthe ... ef_results

Note, the title is simply "Radiesthesie Agricole", not "Radiesthesie Agricole et Humaine", that's another book, also by Orcel.

The following text was taken from a website (accessed 7.2.18), apparently the text is from:

Journal officiel de la République française. Lois et décrets
Éditeur : Journaux officiels (Paris)
Date d'édition : 1913-08-03

Les importations de tissus en Gambie, - Les renseignements suivants sont extraits d'un - rapport de M. Orcel, agent consulaire do France à Bathurst : La Gambie importe annuellement pour 3mil- lions 260,000 francs de tissus, chiffre qui a une tendance à augmenter tous les ans. Les principaux pays qui prennent part à ce trafic sont : l'Angleterre (81 p. 100), la France (14 p. 100) et l'Allemagne (3 p. 100).


Google translation:

Imports of Fabrics in The Gambia, - The following information is taken from a report by M. Orcel, Consular Agent of France at Bathurst: The Gambia imports annually for 3 million 260,000 francs of cloth, a figure which tends to increase every year. The main countries taking part in this trade are: England (81%), France (14%) and Germany (3%).


The passage in Mertens concerning Francois Orcel is also in the first edition of his book and also in the Dutch translation.

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