INTRODUCE YOURSELF

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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Grahame Gardner » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:35 pm

Hi Steve, welcome to the forum. It's a bit quiet in here these days but there's plenty of information in the various sections. Do feel free to start a new thread if you have any questions you want to ask or issues you want to discuss. Just dive right in!
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Helen-Healing » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:00 am

Hello migrant
I lived in the Alpujarras for a year in the 80s and, at that time, water was free to all residents, as it was coming out of the rocks in little springs all over the place. It's sad to hear that there is such a drought there now. :cry: I lived in the village of Trevelez - the highest village in the whole of Spain at over 2000m. Did you know that acequias were originally built by the 'moros' when they occupied southern Spain?!
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby n.challacombe » Mon May 15, 2017 4:19 pm

Good Day, I came accross your site whilst searching for the origins of my dowsing and pipe locator kit. I was issued with this kit in the early 60's by my employer Roads Reconstruction (contracting) Ltd, I used it to locate underground services and obstructions whilst supervising new drainage schemes in many East Anglian towns.
It was supplies by J.C.Oliver (LEEDS) Limited of 7 East Parade, Leeds. That is according to a label attached to the inside of the made made of white plastic type material.
It was not new when passed to me but somehow remained with me for 50 odd years.

Today in my garden, in which we are building a new house, I watched the digger banksman with two bent pieces of copper pipe trying to locate a water pipe in our old garden, immediately I thought I have not seen anybody do that for years and told him about my rather sophisticated and over complicated REVEALER kit. He was somewhat incredulous, so I went into my huge man cave and found it, still intact, complete with the box key.

I then searched on the internet and found a reference on a blog call "goddammit" and hence I am now telling you the tale.

Do many of these items still exist? They must have cost a pretty penny in there day.

I am now well retired from Civil Engineering and wonder if anybody else actually used one in the real world.

I look forward to any comments.
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Ian Pegler » Mon May 15, 2017 4:40 pm

There is a lengthy thread on the Revealer here:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=157

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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Geoff Stuttaford » Tue May 16, 2017 12:11 pm

Hi Nick,

Way back in the 1960s, when I was working in the Drawing Office of a large Civil Engineering Company, I happened to open a bottom drawer and came across a wooden box about 2ft x 9in by 6 ins deep containing a comprehensive set of dowsing equipment including metal rods and several “witnesses” (I think that was the name given to various material that was held in ones non-dowsing hand to facilitate the finding of an equivalent material underground) I dowsed that this product was produced in the early 1950s and I wonder, now, whether that kind of kit represented the complicated way that people in that era thought that dowsing worked.
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During the 10 years I spent in that particular office, I cannot recall anyone ever using that kit or referriing to it but it is obvious that an Engineer, at some time, had ordered it. I suspect that some people in the Office were not aware that it existed.
Personally I have used modified coat hangers since the late 1950s.
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Ian Pegler » Tue May 16, 2017 1:12 pm

I wonder, now, whether that kind of kit represented the complicated way that people in that era thought that dowsing worked.


When I was doing my French translation of Victor Mertens' work I came across this:

Victor Mertens. translated by I.P. wrote:In general, there must be, for a successful experience
determined from dowsing, a starting point, a fulcrum : ask a very clean question, do not seek for
anything important in the dark.


Bear in mind this dates to the early 1940s if not before. He then says:

Mertens wrote:This is the reason why a remote dowser [téléradiesthésiste] asks you for a “witness” [témoin] : a
photograph or object of the person or animal to examine or dowse [rechercher], a plan, a map, all
accessories which are merely aids; like the wise [Henri] DE FRANCE says, they are accessories.


In general I get the feeling that witnesses were very important in the early days of Radiesthésie .

I did know one member of the West Wales Dowsers who used a Revealer, sadly no longer with us.

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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Geoff Stuttaford » Tue May 16, 2017 4:24 pm

Yes, Ian. Very interesting. I get confirmation that witnesses were aids/accessories. It was quite common , in fact, for many dowsers to use a witness such as a piece of lead or copper piping when looking for a water pipe (rather than looking for a water pipe itself). This could lead, on occasion, to the finding of a lead or copper pipe but not always what that pipe was expected to convey. Nowadays we would look for a water pipe so has dowsing become more pedantic because the question needs to be more accurate?
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby simonwheeler » Tue May 16, 2017 7:39 pm

has dowsing become more pedantic because the question needs to be more accurate

Maybe the answers are becoming more accurate? Or am I being pedantic?! :twisted: :roll: :lol:
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Geoff Stuttaford » Sat May 20, 2017 1:50 pm

Surely the accuracy of an answer is dependent on whether it is the intention of the source of an answer whether to mislead the questioner or not. Is it not better to address a question to a known reliable source rather than broadcast a question to a universe where it can be answered by anyone who hears it?
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby simonwheeler » Sat May 20, 2017 3:40 pm

Intention- what if you ask the question with the intention of getting the "most appropriate source" to answer?
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Re: INTRODUCE YOURSELF

Postby Geoff Stuttaford » Sun May 21, 2017 9:39 am

Although I am aware of the power of Intent, I get that it cannot always be relied upon to select the most appropriate source.
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