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MATRIX PHILOSOPHY (summary)

Postby Ian Pegler » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:24 pm

An interesting YouTube video...

MATRIX PHILOSOPHY (summary)

This is a summary of opinions on the philosophy of The Matrix movies.


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Postby Lyndon Ronstadt » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:46 pm

I often wonder who funds these anti-establishment movies? :?: :?: :?:
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Postby ledgehammer » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:38 pm

Lyndon Ronstadt wrote:I often wonder who funds these anti-establishment movies? :?: :?: :?:

have you seen the films Lyndon ?
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Postby arthur hamlin » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:21 pm

I have looked at the film clip and hope this is not the way we are going - people who are hard faced without showing much happy emotion and militant.
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Postby Lyndon Ronstadt » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:46 pm

have you seen the films Lyndon ?

The question is are the sheep being released from their pens by movies such as this (in the belief that they are being freed) simply to be driven into other forms of captivity. Are we being panicked about the power of the establishment - by the establishment? Hence my question on funding.

I find such films grotesque in their portrayals of supposed facts and, as the grotesque has a negative effect on the human emotions, suspect the motivation behind them.
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Postby simonwheeler » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:31 am

ledgehammer wrote:
Lyndon Ronstadt wrote:I often wonder who funds these anti-establishment movies? :?: :?: :?:

have you seen the films Lyndon ?


Lyndon, this may help release your memory the truth is out there..........but you have to see it for yourself......

Alternatively:
you could read this
The Matrix remains an icon of cinema, a pop-culture touchstone for a generation and one of the most genre-smashing films to ever come from a major studio. Revelatory, revolutionary, and by far one of the most influential films of the last decade (by a vast margin), The Matrix deservedly slots easily into that oft-touted cliche of “a classic”.


Have you seen the films, Lyndon?
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Postby ledgehammer » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:59 am

Lyndon Ronstadt wrote:
have you seen the films Lyndon ?

The question is are the sheep being released from their pens by movies such as this (in the belief that they are being freed) simply to be driven into other forms of captivity. Are we being panicked about the power of the establishment - by the establishment? Hence my question on funding.

I find such films grotesque in their portrayals of supposed facts and, as the grotesque has a negative effect on the human emotions, suspect the motivation behind them.

take that as a no then.

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Postby Lyndon Ronstadt » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:05 pm

I shall crawl into a corner and mumble to myself, I'm on a hiding to nothing here. :x
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Postby Ian Pegler » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:36 pm

Well, I HAVE seen the movies.

I imediately think of the episode of Red Dwarf called Back to Reality which raises the question, how do you know the world you've "woken up" to after leaving the "matrix", "total immersion video game" (or whatever) is the real world?

One illusiory world might be just as convincing as another. What's your yardstick for deciding which is the real thing?

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Postby ledgehammer » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:45 pm

Ian Pegler wrote:Well, I HAVE seen the movies.

I imediately think of the episode of Red Dwarf called Back to Reality which raises the question, how do you know the world you've "woken up" to after leaving the "matrix", "total immersion video game" (or whatever) is the real world?

One illusiory world might be just as convincing as another. What's your yardstick for deciding which is the real thing?

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Ian, indeed there are many films and sci fi series that use that, I.e you think they have woken up but there is a twist in that they are still asleep. the matrix films were great, they took an idea which Is based on some of the Tao and Buddhist ideas and a film called dark city, and translated them into a format everybody can understand. it is by no means a new idea but I personally took a lot from the film, it opened new avenues of thought and creativity. many of the ideas are metaphors I.e chaos / order, neo /agent smith, balance and duality, some great concepts used well. it is a Hollywood production however and the film works to a plot (it has to) and perhaps it is very simplistic (it has to be), it shares features of Hollywood films that you have to look through. the concept if anything has liberated people , especially when the film was released. if there are those who allow themselves to be taken away by the film that is no issue. of the film and has no bearing on my opinion of the film.

Lyndon , sorry if I have offended you but I will make my point if I feel its valid and if you had have watched the films I would have enjoyed a discussion on the films, in line with the original topic.

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Re: MATRIX PHILOSOPHY (summary)

Postby Lyndon Ronstadt » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:22 pm

I would suggest that for the majority of us there is ONLY one reality as defined by the laws of physics, and memory of past experience: if we can remember where we've been we can make comparisons with where we are now and form a conclusion. In ordinary dreams the reasoning faculty is suspended and we are helpless in that state. That reasoning faculty may be inhibited in our waking reality by fretting about theoretical considerations we cannot hope to answer. Thus, while for all practical purposes the physical plane on which we currently live IS our reality, confusions about its nature and properties could be destabilising to the human psyche and thus open the way for future manipulation by those who are not thus confused.

If something momentous happens (a UFO on the White House lawn: the return of Christ etc) then we can be manipulated into believing it is not a real event but simply a temporary incursion of another reality.

It's not the fact that we apparently cannot know the nature of reality that is the issue for me but the potentially destabilising effect of widespread belief that nothing that threatens the establisher order is real.
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Postby Ian Pegler » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:52 pm

Lyndon Ronstadt wrote:there is ONLY one reality as defined by the laws of physics


To anyone reading this: what is meant by the phrase "laws of physics" and where did they come from?

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Re: MATRIX PHILOSOPHY (summary)

Postby ledgehammer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:50 am

Ian Pegler wrote:
Lyndon Ronstadt wrote:there is ONLY one reality as defined by the laws of physics


To anyone reading this: what is meant by the phrase "laws of physics" and where did they come from?

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Ian, my opinion;

there are a general set if rules that fit the majority. of circumstances (like a default). there is a link between conciousness and physical actions, in which with the correct thought process the default can be manipulated slightly. it is not always clear if the matter has acted differently or those witnessing experienced a link"change or shift in reality" (multi verse theorem ). it has been found that conciousness and group meditation has an effect in the behaviour of atoms . there are in all probability that there are places within the physics matter in which the laws are different also (navel s of the earth). what I have often wondered is what a wall would look like if everyone looking at the wall thought it was a giant hippo - how would someone looking at the wall for the first time would see as a result.

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Postby Ian Pegler » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:40 am

ledgehammer wrote:there are a general set if rules that fit the majority. of circumstances (like a default)


I already know that they exist. What I asked for was a definition of the phrase and a reason for their existence.

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Postby ledgehammer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:35 am

Ian Pegler wrote:
ledgehammer wrote:there are a general set if rules that fit the majority. of circumstances (like a default)


I already know that they exist. What I asked for was a definition of the phrase and a reason for their existence.

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Ian , I see the phrase as the definition. They exist In one sense to allow the human race to agree on what is possible, which have many benefits. one could also argue that they are meant to ground and confine, as a control mechanism.

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